tv Charlie Rose PBS May 21, 2012 11:00pm-12:00am EDT
>> rose: welcome to our program, tonight a conversation with larry pagege, the c.e.o. and co-founder of google. >> the exciting part to me is once you're through all the business stuff, like whose data using and what are the terms of that and all that you get to make things that really work for people. and i think that, you know, our understanding of search and the kinds of things people are looking for is improving all the time and you don't think about it but we didn't used to have maps. you couldn't type an address, get directions somewhere. that's just something you come to expect now. like if i type an address i can navigate or get a great high resolution image of this that place or in street view or whatever. so i think that search is really a moving target. it's always getting a lot better. you don't always see it because it's like everyday we make it better. i think the next big change in search will be really search
>> rose: larry page is here, while stale graduate student he invented a new way to categorize information on the worldwide web. in 1998 that idea became google. today it's the world's largest search engine valued at $200 billion. page became c.e.o. of the company he founded last year and the height of its streak google nevertheless faces a host of challenges. the rise of facebook and the social search, the competition with a until the mobile technology market and the battle to stay one step ahead of silicon valley's disruptive young startups.
i am pleased to have larry page back at this table to talk about all those things. welcome. >> thank you. >> i want to show you this. that was 11 years ago when you and sergei dame here in 2001. roll tape. >> we're both actually kind of obnoxious. thalt's when i was recruiting them to a stanford ph.d. program. we had to debate every point which i tend to do as well. so while we're continuously arguing that's also our commonalty and we got to be friends early on once we started the. t.d. program. >> rose: has the relationship changed over the years? >> i think i've had a great relationship with sergei and continue to it's been good for the company that we have this close relationship. we don't always agree but we
work well together. as we've continued this transition and i became c.e.o. again after a long period of time i think sergey is excited about what we've been working on and that's all been very positive for the company. >> rose: but does being c.e.o. mean you have to do less of something else? >> i think it means i have to do more of everything. i think that's kind of what you sign up to do when you become c.e.o.. there's a tremendous responsibility to all the people that use google and i feel that everyday and i think that we're an important company that affects people and that can affect the world and that's why... why we still come to work everyday is because we're excited about making the world better and getting people more
information and i couldn't be more excited about that. >> if you look at it nothing is more exciting than the future and the possibilities of the future. >> yes. >> rose: why did you want to be c.e.o.? >> obviously to do the job well i think you need to be dedicated to it and purely focused on it, it's a big commitment. and i think it's... you know, i think i have been very lucky to have the whole perspective from starting the company and all that and being interested in computers at a really young age starting at 6 l six i got that opportunity. >> you look at the late steve jobs, you look at jeff bezos, people who founded companies and stayed with them as c.e.o. >> rose: well, steve didn't stay >> >> i know, but he left and came back but apple became in a sense his vision, too. google is your version and sergey's vision. >> i think when that can work it's obviously very powerful because you have leaders who
really understand a business in great detail and feel very passionately about it i think also we take a responsibility of being a steward of public information and to get people the right information we take that seriously and we're a little able toll do that because of our independence and governance and so on. >> rose: is it different because you're c.e.o. of google? >> i think looking at our velocity, i think our business has become complicated. we have many, many different aspects of our business and we were struggling with that a bit and so i've tried to streamline that a bit and reign in unbounded creativity and get us focusing on some of the things we think are big. >> rose: i don't know if he advised you but i was in the conversation with steve jobs and
he said to some young entrepreneur "stay focused and what do what you do well. is he told you that. >> many times. he told me "you guys are doing many things." >> is that part of what you want to do as c.e.o. is to make sure you're in these core businesses. >> i was talking with our people in new york here today and i've told them i think it's important we make sure we're focused on the things that are really big and important and we do those things well and that doesn't mean that we're going to do a thousand different things. >> if you do something big as you have said if you fail you're more likely to find something that will make a contribution to what you want to do. >> uh-huh. many of the things we've started even many years ago now have been... grown to be big. i remember when we acquired android as a company, it was eight people now it's a huge
phenomenon and chrome is a similar thing. it took many, many years and now it's big. and so what i'm focused on is... and i have people reporting to me directly and who run those businesses and i think that's really great and i think those things are still at their early stages. there was a story today, chrome has overtaken i.e. as the largest browser on the internet and i'm excited about that. obviously we've had a lot of growth and we've done great things on the product and we have much more to do. >> rose: it is a different world. when you talk about apple, amazon, facebook and google does that mean that the future is you'll see those four companies competing or is it simply building a moat around your own company. >> i think as industries evolve and get older they tend to have more complexity. if you look at laptop there is's something you might have in the past like i.b.m. might have made
laptops and hard drives for laptops and that's a complicated relationship with the others who make laptops. you see that with samsung and apple samsung is a supplier to apple and also a competitor and i think mature industries tend to have that and companies that can mack those things do really well so there's a lot of that that goes on. i think it would be nice to see a bit more openness to partner between the companies and we could focus on what we do really well. but it's also difficult, you want to have... produce great products for all the users that use these products for all of you and in order to do that it's nice to have control over the different aspects that you need in order to make a great user experience. >> rose: you're in new york because of cornell and what's going to happen in this relationship with this partnership? >> among other things i think
that we're really excited. we announced today we've given cornell some space just to incubate the new campus here. the and in our building, in new york which we just... >> rose: which is a block long. (laughs) >> it's a cool building and we decided to buy it so now we're a big new york landlord, i guess. but that also gave us the flexibility to say hey, we have this great space so we can contact our people a bit. >> rose: and new york campus on one block. >> yeah and we think it's a great space for you to get started so we thought that was a fabulous thing to do. >> rose: who initiated the relationship >> we have a big... we support a lot of research on computer science, we try to give money to many different organizations so we have relationship which is came about because we're supporting computer science research in general. so we had a relationship between our new york leaders and the
cornell people so that's how it came about and they were just talking about how to help. >> rose: then the news this week has been the facebook i.p.o.. any thoughts about that? >> i definitely noticed that. >> rose: (laughs) i suspect you have. did they make a mistake at all until this? >> i don't know. like, i'm not... i've been through an i.p.o. once and we did some interesting things. >> rose: you did it on your own. you did ate different way. >> we had an auction trying to get more normal people able to participate and so on and i think... so i don't know the details. i don't want to speak about their thing but i think it's great to see that competition and just... it's thriving, right? we were talking... the traffic in the valley is worse now than in new york and there's a lot of activity going on and that's great to see. >> rose: everybody wants to go to silicon valley. they say... in order to see what's going on because they want to duplicate it.
can they duplicate it? >> it's exciting to see the effort in new york. google came out of the university. one day we're just kind of dreaming about building a search engine and we built it and i think that... i think that's a really good model for companies, too. h.p. came out that way out of stanford as well. i think you get solid sort of technically deep companies that way because, you know, you evolve out of a deep research out of computing or science or medicine or something. so i think that's really important and i think new york... you know new york has a huge business presence, all sorts of companies and real prosperous people who know how to do things and deal with the international world and everything else and i think getting more technology people injected into what is really important. so i think that combination of business people with money to fund things, people who know how
to run companies, people who know how to run a multinational and people who deeply get technology you want to kind of stir that together and produce something great and i'm sure it can happen in other places, too, but you have to realize now like i moved to silicon valley because i wanted to start a company i thought it was likely to start a company. >> rose: how old were you when you knew you wanted to start a company? >> i knew i wanted to be a professor or start a company. there has to be some degree of autonomy to do interesting things and i was probably pretty young. >> rose: but you also... your parents were both computer scientists. >> yes. >> rose: and you were going to become... you were a ph.d. candidate at stanford always thinking about starting a company. >> never quite graduated. >> rose: (laughs) you found something else to do. it worked out, didn't it? >> it worked out okay. >> rose: now you face a challenge from facebook. people say you may be looking at
a different way of engaging in search which is more personal because of social media. do you fear that competition for you? >> one of the big things i've done in the last year is pushed really hard on our social efforts. we have... google+ has come out, about to hit its one-year anniversary. in that year i think we've accomplished a lot. just looking at about what our users want. one of the things i've been frustrated by and search that i have this friend at google, you can't search for him. but now i can because we understand the friends i have that, the people i'm related to-to-so when i search for ben smith it gives me a picture of him and that appears in the search box. >> rose: that's because of google+. >> yes. >> rose: so that suggests social media may very well be a better way of searching than... >> it's important to do search well we've released this functionalty it's important we understand you.
so we understand which ben smith you know. now, it's not important for every search you do but it's important for some of those searches. i think we've been looking at ways of meeting that user need and meeting it really well. >> so you're worried or not worried about facebook's competition and search he? >> i think that it's something we take seriously. like people's social media. it's been unfortunate that facebook has been pretty closed with their data and we would certainly... we're in the business of searching data, we don't generally turn it down when it's offered to us. so i think in general we'd like to see content on the internet being made more open and so on. we have an issue of them over contacts where they... from the user's perspective you say that's great, i'm joining facebook, i want my contacts in google. we said fine you can get them from google and the issue we had is facebook said no, google, you
can't do the reverse. so we said users don't understand what they're doing. they're putting data in and they don't understand they can't take it out. so we said we'll only participate with people that have reciprocity and we're still waiting. >> rose: for them to offer reciprocity. >> yes. >> rose: do you think they might in the future? >> i hope so. i imagine they'll be forced to eventually. but i think the idea of... to hold your users hostage, kind of and they have some reasons for it that don't make sense. >> rose: what are the reasons? >> they claim it's a privacy issue but it's not because they do it with yahoo!, they don't do it with us. you don't want to be holding users hostage and we really... we felt that we want there to be a competitive market, we want other companies to be able to do things so we think it's important that you as users of google can take your data and you can take it out if you
needtor-to-or take it somewhere else. >> rose: apple is a closed garden as well. >> that's true. >> rose: and so the question is whether they are the wave of the future or whether google is the wave of the future. >> i think it's always very hard. these are very complex systems and so on. i think that... you know i think we hope there's a way for people to cooperate and do what users want which is users want to have flexibility to do things that really work for them and building those products is hard but that's something we focus on. >> if you look at success in silicon valley, it's often been because people first did really well and therefore they kept building their own algorithms up and their software was better and better and better. so you had a wide advantage, they had a wide advantage in social media, you had a wide advantage in search. what do you learn from that? >> there's always, like, different kinds of partnership
wes need do. we did a lot of travel recently, we bought i.t.a.. when people do a search they really want to say... i want the flight to this place or i want to go from here to there and they want the right answer. in order to do that you need to have partnerships of all the different people with data and the airlines and so on and there's a lot of hard work. i mean, they've been at that for years and years make all that work. the exciting part to me is, you know, once you're there all the business stuff, you know, of like whose whose data and what are the terms and all that you have to make things that really work for people. and i think our understanding of search and the kinds of things people are looking for is improving all the time and you don't think about it but we didn't used to have maps. you couldn't type an address, get directions somewhere and that's something you come to expect now. like if i type an address i can navigate or i can get a really
great high-resolution image of that image or in street view or whatever. search is a moving target. it's always getting better. you don't always see it because we're changing it everyday. the next big change will be search understanding you which i doesn't really now. >> rose: how will you dough that? >> i think we're already doing it but we're not doing a good job of marketing it. >> rose: by google+ or something else? >> both things. i think google+ gives you the identity that it's you, that you're logged in and we know about your relationships and we might know some of your interests. it's very easy right from a search result to say i follow something, i'm interested in it. i want to flare that again so let's improve our search algorithms for you and produce other kinds of information for you like in google news or other places >> is privacy an issue for you legally or philosophically?
>> i think privacy is a very big issue for everyone. because as we've gotten online systems autothere what you can do changes and your life changes as a result you can make a youtube video. now ten million people watch it the next day. that affects your privacy. >> rose: it does. yes, it does. (laughs) and so speaking of youtube, what happens to youtube? where do you see hit in the next five years? >> well, i think youtube is just incredibly exciting because it continues to grow like crazy. i remember when we bought it people thought we were crazy. 1.4 billion. >> rose: exactly. >> there's huge amounts of youtube and i think the average user watches youtube for a couple minutes a day. then they watch television for four hours a day. >> rose: right. >> i think it's clear the
youtube number is going to go up. especially as we do a better job of just... >> rose: go ahead. >> i was going to say i think one of the things about understanding you better as a person we can also suggest great videos for you to watch on youtube and i do this test on myself like how many videos on youtube should by watching? is it eight minutes a day or an hour a day? i think it's more like an hour a day. there's amazing content that you're not able to find and discover. so improving that by understanding you, giving you the right kinds of channels you're interested in is exciting. >> rose: would you move away from consumer-generated video? >> i think we are excited about getting the people who are professional also to participate and they're coming to us incredibly excited saying how do i get my things on youtube, how do they get distributed worldwide with less business friction than as you made a
normal television show or whatever. so we've been participating with those people. we put a bunch of money, over $100 million now i think into funding content specifically for youtube by people who are more professional. >> rose: multiple youtube channels. >> yeah. but the professional content is largely coming from youtube, that's where it's being discovered. you discover amazing producers or filmmakers or whatever actors and musicians and so on. so we want to make that process easier to just expand on youtube >> rose: and the capacity to monetize it? >> it's been very good. we have monetization that's comparable with television now sort of on the hours basis or something like that. so i think we're doing right well. we don't have rights to monetize all the content we have. so that's an area we're focused on and we're really excited unlike in television where
you're forced to watch an ad we're doing a large number of our ads are skipable and we think that's exciting because it creates an incentive to make... >> rose: do the advertisers think it's funny? >> do they think it's funny? i think it's working for them. it's a huge percentage of our revenue on youtube and i think it will be the majority very quickly. >> rose: when you look at various businesses you're in, you talk about google+, we talked about the whole range of things, google maps. where do you put this entry into mobile and motorola? >> well, i think, you know, we were lucky when we bought android. >> rose: exactly. >> many, many years ago and i think that's been a tremendous success i think motorola is obviously in the context of that. we saw a lot of people again just trying to attack android, shut it down, using patents and so on and we said we believe in
android, we're going protect it. and obviously motorola has an 80-year history, developed the first cell phone and all that and holds those patents. >> rose: they've been up and then they've been down. >> yeah, but they've been doing... they made a big bet on android. they went all android when nobody had heard of android and as a result i think they've been a tremendous partner for us. >> rose: what did you see in android that made it, one, in 2005 want to buy it and now you see the realization of that instinct. you were prescient. what was it that you saw? >> i think we were at google trying to get our products to work on phones and it was a disaster. >> rose: (laughs) >> we had a closet of 100 phones and literally none of them worked and they were all different, you couldn't develop software for them and they were horrible user experiences and we said this doesn't make any sense. so what's going to fix this? so we looked at the landscape and didn't see that it was likely to get fixed so we said
we need software on phones that work. we need an operating system that works, we need a development environment that works. and you'll do b able to do a search from your car or anywhere in the world you'll be able to use google. >> rose: what kind of conversation did you have with steve jobs about buying android and then buying motorola? >> well, i think we didn't tell them... >> rose: no, you didn't but after you did they knew. >> i think that... i think unfortunately they have to... again a very closed view of the world and they have a very strong feeling about and so on but it's been running for a long time and we put effort into it, too. that was difficult for steve to understand. >> rose: because you're in direct competition, too.
>> when we started android we had no idea they were going to do it, they had no idea we were going to do it. >> rose: something about great minds thinking alike or something. the future is mobile, yes? >> rose: i think the future is everywhere... >> i think the future is every. >> rose: it's mobile and the cloud. >> i think it's clear everyone. in the world is going to have a mobile device connected to the internet and that's going to happen relatively quickly and i think that's a very, very big deal that will be most people's first computer and it's... the experience you get is pretty good. it's always on, always got your e-mail on it. it's a really great experience in a lot of ways to use your mobile device and i think that just works mentally needs to be applied to the whole computer industry. your p.c. doesn't work that way, there's no reason it shouldn't and probably with the explosion of tablets is that they just
work, they're always on, they can download things for you. they turn on instantly and they have a much better experience. they don't have everything you can do on your desktop. that's coming. >> rose: is the p.c. over? >> i don't think the p.c. is over. i think the p.c. as a bad experience where you have 50 cables you have to plug in and not clear how to make it work and all that, i think that's over >> is there a disruptive technology throughout that you fear somebody somewhere, larry page and sergey bryn are somewhere working on somethat that will shake us up because of its clang? >> oh, i think the change that's happened in the technology industry, even in the last few years, is incredible. i don't think anybody could have predicted all the changes that are happening. >> rose: what changed happened that you didn't predict? >> i think the... i think
probably i would... i don't know. i don't think you would have predicted or i would have predicted the magnitude of these things. look liking at apple's growth or if you had you would have made money. i remember when their stock was roughly the same as cash holdings. >> rose: exactly. now they're the highest market cap company in the world. >> so i think the pace of change is amazing. >> rose: the velocity is changing. growing. >> i think the velocity is growing. people get technology now the devices can change my life and make them better, i want to spend a lot of my disposable income on the new gadget. and the rate at which people are doing that is incredible. >> rose: where are you with respect to china? >> well, you know, we had an issue with china and... >> rose: having to do with censorship. google searches. >> and really security issues,
too. >> rose: hijacking or whatever it might have been. >> one thing people don't understand when you're talking about privacy security is related to privacy, too. so if your data... you're a dissent and your day is hijacked by a foreign government that's out to get you, that's a serious privacy issue. >> indeed. a very serious invasion because it will put you in jail. >> or in danger or whatever. and i think we've taken that more seriously than other companies. we've been focused on the issue of making sure user' data is well protected from the security and privacy point of view. >> rose: was it knows get out of china to do that? >> well, i don't know necessary or whatever but i think that we felt pretty strongly that was that this was a major issues that users are being targeted and we don't feel good about provideing... about censoring
results for political reasons and other things. >> rose: so you made a decision to leave. >> we made a decision not to leave, actually. we have a lot of people in china that work for google and we made a decision to offer google from hour hong kong address which is uncensored. >> rose: and hong kong is china but you moved it. >> and i think we are hopeful that we'd be able to serve people pretty well from hong kong within china. that's turned out not to be the case. the firewall has been blocking most querys that occur from hong kong so they've made our service slow and unreliable. >> rose: so what's going to happen. >> i think one local search engine. >> rose: which is growing rapidly. >> with china. >> rose: well, that's a billion three or four and growing. so how do you... the conventional wisdom is that there was a conflict with them but you and sergey was on one side and eric schmid was on another side.
>> i think it was a difficult set of business decisions to make i think there's lots of difficult issues that the world faces with china i think it's difficult for facebook. youtube is blocked in china, facebook is blocked in china. most major sites that exist are blocked in china. i think it's practically speaking very difficult for more outside internet companys to operate their... in places where there's sensitivity, search, media, news, things like that. >> so you have to wait until the regime changes or some technology changes. >> well, i think, you know, we have a tremendous number of really great services that are really important to the internet and the world and we hope that the chinese people will be allowed to access this. >> rose: (laughs) couple of issues about litigation. in your opinion a suit with oracle.
>> they sued us. >> rose: (laughs) that's right, they did. and you've gotten a mixed ruling so far. i may be misinterpreting but where does that stand? >> i think this is part of the general trend of just kind of companies. they don't know what to do. they just attack android and hope they'll make money off of it. >> rose: this is about java and whether java is at the base of android. >> well, it's really whether... there's a long history of this but we tried very hard to do a job with-to-partner with sun and java and we were ultimately unsuccessful in doing that and we said okay we'll develop a clean room implementation of java which is java language which is known to be open sourced, taught in schools and this kind of thing. so we did our own implementation of that not using their code and since oracle bought sun and they
felt they should be able to make a lot of money off of android they've come after us on this and i think it's... we did nothing wrong there and we feel pretty good about our position. >> rose: that's ongoing as we speak in san francisco i think. >> yes. >> rose: do you worry about antitrust litigation coming out of washington? >> i think google is an important company. we do... we produce huge amounts of information and respond to your searches and obviously i think what we do is subject of reasonable scrutiny. there's nothing wrong with that and you pay your elected representatives to look at those things. so we're happy to... i think we've taken a good approach to saying we're happy to work with you anded to do reasonable things. >> rose: but you have more people probably working for you in washington than you ever imagined you would having have working for you. >> i guess... i think it's important we engage in if
dialogues with the government to get to a good place. >> rose: make your case before it becomes a lawsuit >> i think a scrutiny is reasonable. if a company hasn't partnered with us and we bant want to make sure we're hearing those concerns and acting appropriate >> rose: going back to android and motorola and youtube, it's said you came close to buying twitter. is that... >> i think we've always had a lot of discussions with twitter and many other companies. i think we've had a number of successful acquisitions and we've also done stuff ourselves and i think that with google plus obviously we made a very big investment in social and we didn't really buy anything for that and that's working for us and we have over $170 million people on google+. google users with upgraded
accounts and i think it's the... >> rose: and they have almost a billion in facebook. >> yeah, we've been at it less than a year. i think it's pretty good. and the other part of it where people get confused which is your stream and following people and all these things, that's the social network we're booting up and it started from zero a year ago and it's grown very fast. we think it's grown much faster than the oshl society social network that's been done before but it's growing from a base of zero. it's not just instantly all of a sudden as big as google. >> rose: sometimes it's better to start your own, sometimes it's better to acquire. but in 2012 there have been no acquisitions. >> um... >> rose: or have there? >> we've done a lot of them. >> rose: have you really. i didn't know that. in 2012? >> it seems like i get one every week or something. >> rose: (laughs) one acquisition a week in terms of buying companies? >> we have a weekly meeting where we go through the acquisitions and usually there's
something going on so we probably make an offer every week or something. we bought... >> rose: have any of them acceptd? have you made any deals? >> i don't know. these things take a while and they're in various stages in negotiations but i'm sure we have, yes. >> rose: when you look at the future, what do you worry about? >> let's see, what do i worry about? you know, i come back to the users and i look at what's possible to do with technology and i think we're still 1% of the... >> rose: 1%? really? of where we can be? >> absolutely. >> rose: tell me where we might be. tell me what 15% looks like. this is the kind of thing you and sergey talk about all the time. >> it's a little bit difficult to accurately predict but i think that any problem we tried to attack we succeeded no matter how difficult... we've been working on the automated cars. >> rose: sebastian was here as
you know. you talked about it. >> that's an amazingly hard problem. if you took a step back and say can a computer drive a car? no way! but a little bit of work, a few years go buy. >> rose: that's your pet project isn't it? >>. >> something i've been interested in. >> rose: not to subject you're not serious but you're interested in that. >> i was interested in stanford when i was a grad student. >> rose: how might it work? blue sky it for us. >> well, i think we have a great video of line of this of a blind man being picked up by a car and going and getting his laundry and getting a burrito and being driven back home. that can happen. >> rose: and when can it happen? >> i think it can happen pretty quickly. >> rose: do you really. >> yes. >> rose: how will it will be developed? >> we have a great team working on this. we've gotten legislation in nevada. we have special license plate for an automated car with an
infinity symbol which is a great thing. it will just happen. you can... you can ride in one of these cars today. >> rose: google x, what's that? >> i think google x was our answer to research. we looked at what a lot of companies do in research and we think that's a great thing. that's my background, i love that research. by you can take something not going well which is things that are possible and we need an effort. it's like an apollo program where you can take researcher type people and focus them on a really important effort that really needs to get done and goo go do it. no holds bard and give the resources you need and do it. that's been very successful. i think that we've lad great progress on automated cars.
google glass which is glasses you can wear is another one of those projects and i think we're very excited about that. there's probably a hundred other things that can be done like that. >> rose: in the end it's huge man resources that make a difference, isn't it? >> it's people who make the technology and it's all about the penal. >> rose: how do you enjender that? two things, people could take 20% of their time and work on projects. is that still in effect? >> yes. we have 20% time but we just try to treat people like family. if you look at companies my dad's father was an auto worker and he was in the sit down strikes. they had to manufacture weapons that to protect themselves the. i hope our employees don't do v to do that. you think about the trend just in two generations where people have all the services they need at work, they have a company that treats them as family. i think that's an important thing and it will become even more so like that.
>> rose: is do no evil still part of the google philosophy and is it more difficult to do no evil today than it was in the past because competition is tougher and big ideas are... have run into governments >> i think you'll get that perception from reading stuff and so on. i think we face a lot of difficult issues as a company and we're a very important company in the world. we take that very seriously. don't be evil was coined by one of our early engineers and we used that and we think about what's good for the world and i mentioned the issue of reciprocity around data access and so on. i think sometimes you have to take a long-term view of that. what's a really important thing in the world from a long-term point of view, how is this going to work? how can we be practical about this and achieve the business? but that's absolutely very, very important to us.
for us the to be trusted as a company with your important data and searches we must be above reproach and maintain our reputation. >> rose: there is also this. one, the political impact being had by social media and more and other the possibility of how what's happening in silicon valley can change science and change medicine and change the way we live our lines. >> i think we were amazed. we have this guy who's a leader of the egyptian revolution who works for us. >> rose: i know, that's why i brought it up. he was here at this table. >> he's an amazing guy and just thinking about that is an amazing thing and i think that for me it's just incredibly exciting as a person if you think about all the resources that the world has to solve the problems we have. we have plenty of resources to solve the problems we have. plenty of food and the basic
things we need and materials and so on. if we're not organized to do that, i think one thing that i'm excited about is the internet technology, companies like google can get people organized to solve the big problems in the world and at a much faster rate than happening now. and get at least everyone in into a reasonable standard of living and to solve a lot of the issues we have. >> rose: that's a lifetime of work, thank you. pleasure. larry page from google. it's good. you don't do much of this and i thank you for coming to see me. >> i appreciate it too. >> rose: back in a moment. stay with us. >> rose: a postscript to our conversation with larry page. a number of the people he mentioned and the ideas he mentioned have been discussed on this program. go first to february 16 twshgs 2012 for a google employee who played a pivotal role in the revolution in egypt talking about social media and the arab
spring. after my identity was exposed i felt responsible for what i said on the page. i always ask myself before every post is that good for the... for the best interest of this country or not? i do not want to abuse a tool like this because at the end of the day it could lead to people dying or it could lead to bringing the country in the wrong direction. so it's a lot of responsibility. i became more conservative than before. >> rose: more conservative? what way? because you could be misunderstand more? >> my actions could result in doing somethat that is not good for the country. it's... it's a tradeoff. in the past we were the minority that's the thing. and before the revolution this page was, you know, basically the voice of the minority, the
voice of the weak, the voice that hardly anyone listens to, the government completely ignores and now it's changing with my identity and the other administrator's identity is released to the public so it's kind of a hard thing, but i'm doing my best for this country because i truly love my country and i think the people of egypt deserve a much better life. >> when you look at the role of social media what's your assessment of the role they had there and the role they will play in the future? >> so i get a lot of my friends and people i meet in the swear asking me what did social media really do? one thing... i wrote the whole book to answer the question. >> rose: "revolution 2.0" is kind of an internet term. >> but i don't mean internet aspect of it. it's a leaderless revolution. social media played a critical
role for the protest. >> rose: it brought people the square. on >> on the 25th. starting from 28th the revolution was on the street and was not on the internet. people were not on the internet. so i would be biased because i come from a technical background i work for google and what i did with social networking i would say that it was critical internet... the event reached over one million people online, hundred thousand people confirmed it. people were collaborating ideas and what would be done on the streets yet this is not an internet revolution. this is not a revolution that would not have happened without the internet. it would have happened because in the past, a couple hundred years ago there was no even fax machine and revolutions happened. so people use whatever... >> rose: did it accelerate the revolution? >> i think it added a style to it and it did accelerate it.
it would have happened in a different form. not necessarily on the 25th. egypt was boiling. if you look 2010 there was about,000 protests and strikes by workers who were not happy with their economic conditions but what the internet did right after ben ali gave his speech i was like something has to happen and i've seen the comments, i was encouraged once the event was published online a lot of people started to subscrape to. so it created the snowball needed for everyone to go on january 25. >> rose: then there is from google sebastian thrun, he founded google x, he talked on in program on april 25, the 2012 about the driverless car as well as google glass. and you have the famous glass on now. >> i have them on my head, yes, all time. >> rose: tell me about project glass. >> they're really an aspiring hopefully project to change the way with interact with mobile
devices and the hope is to get things out of your life not into your life. so we carry our phone in our hands, we don't look up. that is display with you all the time. it sits above your normal field of view. you can see things if you wish to. >> rose: what can you do with it? everything you can do with a smart phone? >> we're doing all kinds of studies right now. the thing we like is picture taking. so i can have a camera here and i'm taking a picture of you. and now magically all my friends show up, so here's sergey and steve and here's my entire team called glass team so... >> rose: so they can see us right now so this conversation is being... >> it's on g+. >> rose: driverless car. larry page who i've interviewed a number of times has been talking about this for a while. did he get you interested or did you come separate from him to have an interest? >> no, i had my interests separately and my interests started... i used to be a
robotics professor and around 2003 the defense research agency of the department of defense launched a challenge, as they call it, to give a million bucks to someone who could build a car that drives itself. just to be precise, this wasn't a remote-controlled car where you sit in a building and steer it. that is car that has exactly one button, the start button, and the car goes off by itself, does its thing. from all the artificial intelligence projects we've done this is one of the easy ones. so i felt this is an opportunity to fix a colossal big problem for society. death in traffic accidents is the number one killer for young people. i lost my headed a minute at stanford to a traffic accident so it's a real thing and i'm sure many viewers experience this and it's kind of reckless that we tolerate the fact that we have so many traffic accidents so i felt there could
be technology i could bring to bear as an artificial intelligence researchers to make cars smart enough so they won't crash anymore. >> rose: so where are we today? >> today we have a car that drives on highways and for several thousand miles you never encountered a situation that is... >> rose: driving in traffic? >> normal traffic. normal traffic. it's not at the stage where it rivals or surpasses performance of an awake human driver. it drives better than most drunk people i know of. it's amazing. if you get into it it really drives you and within minutes you feel you want to stop paying attention even though our drivers have to pay attention. it drives thousands of miles before when you think i have to take over now. >> rose: this is a demo of the self-driving car featuring the blind driver steve mahan.
pv >> how are you? >> this is great. >> auto driving. >> away we go. >> look, ma, no hands. >> no hands anywhere. >> no hands, no feet, nothing. >> we're here at the stop sign. the car is use rag darr to check and make sure there's nothing coming. >> olds habits die hard, man. >> hey, they don't die. anybody up for a taco? >> yeah, yeah. what do you want to do? >> i'm eyeballing some taco.
>> all right, well let's go get a taco at a drive through. >> and we're turning into the parking lot. does anybody have any money? >> i've got money. >> i've got my wallet. >> you can roll down your window and othered a burrito. >> i'm doing very well, how are you today? >> this is some of the best driving i've ever done. >> >> 95% of my vision is gone. i'm well past legally blind. >>
>> you leave your timing in life everything takes you much longer. there's some places you cannot go. there's some things you cannot do. where this would change my life is to give me independence and the flexibility to go to places i both want to go and need to go when i need do those things. >> you gset.ut o i have places i have to go. (laughter) it's been nice. it's been nice. >> >> rose: this really excites you doesn't it? >> absolutely. this is... steve was a seeing person for most of his life.
he was a graphic's designer. >> rose: steve mahan. >> yes. and he turned blind and we spent a good amount of time with him just listening to his stories. he was able to just drive his car to work, it would take 240i78 minutes. now it take him two and a half hours because he's relying on public transportation and so on. he's often unsafe when he navigates himself into new environments. it's hard to orient yourself. and this little piece of technology can transform steve's life. so he did this for many, many weeks. we drove him to work everyday and pick him up after work and bring him back and it was a transformational experience. >> rose: this from eric schmid, the former c.e.o., now chairman of google in a conversation about google and the future. >> google is first and foremost a search company but we foresee a broadening of a mission to bring information that you care about, information that you need right now. so historically what you would do is you would type in a query
and out would come the answer and it would come back very fast. but there's such an overwhelming amount of information now and we can also search for things without texting. we can search where you are, we can search with google goggles and take pictures and see what you're looking at. you can take a picture with your camera. all of these mean a much broader opportunity for search and bringing the information that you need. one way to think about this is we're trying to make people better people. literally give them better ideas better augmenting their experience. think of it as augmented humanity. think of it as trying to get computers to help us at things we're not very good at and have us help computers to the things that they're not very good at. computers, of course, remember everything. so now it's so overwhelming you need a searcheningen to keep track. >> rose: when people look at future of technology they talk about four companies in particular they are google with a market cap of $200 billion. amazon located in seattle, washington, with a market cap of
$98 b. apple located in silicon valley with a market cap-- the largest in the world-- of $524 billion and facebook just had its i.p.o. with market cap today at $93 billion. that totals $915 billion of market cap. then there's microsoft at $249 billion. if you add them all together it's $1,164 billion. a lot of money, a lot of future. thank you for joining us. see you next time. captioning sponsored by rose communications captioned by media access group at wgbh access.wgbh.org ut